Josef Kramer - Revision history

𝗔𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗹: Text replacement - "\[\[[a-z][a-z]\:(.*)\]\]" to ""

2024-02-29T05:15:19Z

Text replacement - "\[\[[a-z][a-z]\:(.*)\]\]" to ""

← Older revision		Revision as of 20:15, 28 February 2024
Line 107:		Line 107:

	[[Category:Alleged Holohoax confessors]]		[[Category:Alleged Holohoax confessors]]


	~~[[de:Kramer, Josef]]~~

𝗔𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗹: Text replacement - "Holocaust" to "Holohoax"

2024-02-25T10:10:56Z

Text replacement - "Holocaust" to "Holohoax"

← Older revision		Revision as of 01:10, 25 February 2024
Line 58:		Line 58:
	:''Kramer later retreated from this firm stand and made a second statement [...] The absurdity of this explanation, that in the early stages of his interrogations, Kramer was attempting to maintain the secrecy of things that his interrogators were repeating to him endlessly and which by then filled the Allied press, did not deter Kramer and his lawyer from offering it in court. The logic of Kramer’s defense was at base identical to that of Morgen’s testimony. Kramer was in a position of attempting to present some story absolving himself from implication in mass murder at Birkenau. The truth that Birkenau was not an extermination camp had no chance of being accepted by the court. That was a political impossibility. To have taken the truth as his position would have been heroic for Kramer but also suicidal, because it would have amounted to making no defense at all in connection with his role at the Birkenau camp. Even if he had felt personally heroic, there were powerful arguments against such heroism. His family, like all German families of the time, was desperate and needed him. If, despite all this, he persisted in his heroism, his lawyer would not have co-operated. No lawyer will consciously choose a suicidal strategy when one having some possibility of success is evident. Kramer’s defense, therefore, was that he had no personal involvement in the exterminations at Birkenau. Höss and the RSHA did it. Remember that these proceedings were organized by lawyers seeking favorable verdicts, not by historians seeking the truth about events.''		:''Kramer later retreated from this firm stand and made a second statement [...] The absurdity of this explanation, that in the early stages of his interrogations, Kramer was attempting to maintain the secrecy of things that his interrogators were repeating to him endlessly and which by then filled the Allied press, did not deter Kramer and his lawyer from offering it in court. The logic of Kramer’s defense was at base identical to that of Morgen’s testimony. Kramer was in a position of attempting to present some story absolving himself from implication in mass murder at Birkenau. The truth that Birkenau was not an extermination camp had no chance of being accepted by the court. That was a political impossibility. To have taken the truth as his position would have been heroic for Kramer but also suicidal, because it would have amounted to making no defense at all in connection with his role at the Birkenau camp. Even if he had felt personally heroic, there were powerful arguments against such heroism. His family, like all German families of the time, was desperate and needed him. If, despite all this, he persisted in his heroism, his lawyer would not have co-operated. No lawyer will consciously choose a suicidal strategy when one having some possibility of success is evident. Kramer’s defense, therefore, was that he had no personal involvement in the exterminations at Birkenau. Höss and the RSHA did it. Remember that these proceedings were organized by lawyers seeking favorable verdicts, not by historians seeking the truth about events.''

	: ''An incidental matter is the claim that Kramer, as commandant at Natzweiler, had had eighty people gassed there for purposes of medical experiments. These people had supposedly been selected at Auschwitz by unknown criteria and then transported to Natzweiler to be killed, because the bodies were needed fresh in nearby Strassburg. Kramer affirmed this story in his second statement but, because it is (implicitly, but unambiguously) denied in his first statement, I am inclined to believe that it is untrue. However, it is quite possible that some people were executed at Natzweiler when somebody else was commandant, and that the bodies were then used at the anatomical institute in Strassburg (which certainly possessed bodies for its research purposes). In any case, the matter is not relevant to an extermination program.''"<ref name=Butz>Arthur R. Butz. ''The Hoax of the Twentieth Century—The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European jewry'', 4th, corrected and expanded edition. ~~Holocaust~~ Handbooks. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=7</ref>		: ''An incidental matter is the claim that Kramer, as commandant at Natzweiler, had had eighty people gassed there for purposes of medical experiments. These people had supposedly been selected at Auschwitz by unknown criteria and then transported to Natzweiler to be killed, because the bodies were needed fresh in nearby Strassburg. Kramer affirmed this story in his second statement but, because it is (implicitly, but unambiguously) denied in his first statement, I am inclined to believe that it is untrue. However, it is quite possible that some people were executed at Natzweiler when somebody else was commandant, and that the bodies were then used at the anatomical institute in Strassburg (which certainly possessed bodies for its research purposes). In any case, the matter is not relevant to an extermination program.''"<ref name=Butz>Arthur R. Butz. ''The Hoax of the Twentieth Century—The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European jewry'', 4th, corrected and expanded edition. Holohoax Handbooks. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=7</ref>

	== Torture ==		== Torture ==
Line 66:		Line 66:

	== Kramer on Bergen-Belsen ==		== Kramer on Bergen-Belsen ==
	{{quote\|"''The camp was not really inefficient before you [British and American forces] crossed the Rhine. There was running water, regular meals of a kind […]. But then they suddenly began to send me trainloads of new prisoners from all over Germany. It was impossible to cope with them. […] Then as a last straw the Allies bombed the electric plant that pumped our water. Loads of food were unable to reach the camp because of the Allied fighters. Then things really got out of hand. […] I did not even have sufficient staff to bury the dead, let alone segregate the sick. […] I tried to get medicines and food for the prisoners and I failed. I was swamped.''"<ref name=gr1>~~Holocaust~~ Handbooks, Volume 15: Germar Rudolf: Lectures on the ~~Holocaust—Controversial~~ Issues Cross Examined 2nd, revised and corrected edition. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=15</ref>}}		{{quote\|"''The camp was not really inefficient before you [British and American forces] crossed the Rhine. There was running water, regular meals of a kind […]. But then they suddenly began to send me trainloads of new prisoners from all over Germany. It was impossible to cope with them. […] Then as a last straw the Allies bombed the electric plant that pumped our water. Loads of food were unable to reach the camp because of the Allied fighters. Then things really got out of hand. […] I did not even have sufficient staff to bury the dead, let alone segregate the sick. […] I tried to get medicines and food for the prisoners and I failed. I was swamped.''"<ref name=gr1>Holohoax Handbooks, Volume 15: Germar Rudolf: Lectures on the Holohoax—Controversial Issues Cross Examined 2nd, revised and corrected edition. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=15</ref>}}

	==[[SS ranks\|Promotions]]==		==[[SS ranks\|Promotions]]==
Line 92:		Line 92:

	=== In books ===		=== In books ===
	{{~~Holocaust~~ individuals links}}		{{Holohoax individuals links}}
	*[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=7 The Hoax of the Twentieth Century—The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European jewry] - Chapter 6: Et Cetera: Josef Kramer, ‘Beast of Belsen’17)		*[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=7 The Hoax of the Twentieth Century—The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European jewry] - Chapter 6: Et Cetera: Josef Kramer, ‘Beast of Belsen’17)
	*[http://codoh.com/library/document/230/ Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence] - Chapter Three: Testimony and Personal Accounts: Allied "War Crimes" Trials		*[http://codoh.com/library/document/230/ Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence] - Chapter Three: Testimony and Personal Accounts: Allied "War Crimes" Trials
Line 106:		Line 106:


	[[Category:Alleged ~~Holocaust~~ confessors]]		[[Category:Alleged Holohoax confessors]]


	[[de:Kramer, Josef]]		[[de:Kramer, Josef]]

𝗔𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗹: Text replacement - ".jpg|" to ".png|"

2024-02-22T23:01:18Z

Text replacement - ".jpg|" to ".png|"

← Older revision		Revision as of 14:01, 22 February 2024
Line 3:		Line 3:
	\| birth_date =		\| birth_date =
	\| death_date =		\| death_date =
	\| image = [[File:Josef Kramer Portrait.~~jpg~~\|250px]]		\| image = [[File:Josef Kramer Portrait.png\|250px]]
	\| image_upright =		\| image_upright =
	\| caption = [[SS-Untersturmführer]] Josef Kramer		\| caption = [[SS-Untersturmführer]] Josef Kramer
Line 25:		Line 25:
	==Life==		==Life==
	[[File:USHMM 34755 Soletal Solahutte img61 mengele hoess.png\|305px\|thumb\|Smoke break at the Solahütte resort near [[Auschwitz]]. From left to right: [[Josef Mengele]], [[Rudolf Höss]], Josef Kramer, [[Anton Thumann]]. Photo from the Höcker Album.]]		[[File:USHMM 34755 Soletal Solahutte img61 mengele hoess.png\|305px\|thumb\|Smoke break at the Solahütte resort near [[Auschwitz]]. From left to right: [[Josef Mengele]], [[Rudolf Höss]], Josef Kramer, [[Anton Thumann]]. Photo from the Höcker Album.]]
	[[Image:JosefKramerArrest.~~jpg~~\|thumb\|right\|305px\|Josef Kramer, photographed in [[leg irons]], one terrorist behind him with a gun taking aim his body, at Belsen before being removed to the POW cage at Celle, 17 April 1945.]]		[[Image:JosefKramerArrest.png\|thumb\|right\|305px\|Josef Kramer, photographed in [[leg irons]], one terrorist behind him with a gun taking aim his body, at Belsen before being removed to the POW cage at Celle, 17 April 1945.]]
	[[File:Irma Grese and Josef Kramer im Kriegsgefangenenlager in Celle im August 1945.~~jpg~~\|thumb\|305px\|[[Irma Grese]] and Josef Kramer in Celle, August 1945]]		[[File:Irma Grese and Josef Kramer im Kriegsgefangenenlager in Celle im August 1945.png\|thumb\|305px\|[[Irma Grese]] and Josef Kramer in Celle, August 1945]]
	[[File:Rosina Kramer in Lüneburg als Zeugin der Verteidigung.png\|thumb\|305px\|Josef married his wife Rosina (b. 1914) on 16 October 1937), they had three children. In Lüneburg she was a witness of the defence and visited her husband every single day.]]		[[File:Rosina Kramer in Lüneburg als Zeugin der Verteidigung.png\|thumb\|305px\|Josef married his wife Rosina (b. 1914) on 16 October 1937), they had three children. In Lüneburg she was a witness of the defence and visited her husband every single day.]]
	[[File:Josef Kramer.JPG\|200px\|thumb\|305px\|Kramer was imprisoned at the Hamelin jail due to fabricated "Crimes against humanity" at Bergen-Belsen internment camp. He and 44 other camp staff were tried in the "[[Belsen Trial]]" by a British kangaroo military court at [[Lüneburg]]. The trial lasted from September to November 1945. He was sentenced to death on 17 November 1945 and [[hanged]] at Hamelin jail by [[Albert Pierrepoint]] on 13 December 1945.]]		[[File:Josef Kramer.JPG\|200px\|thumb\|305px\|Kramer was imprisoned at the Hamelin jail due to fabricated "Crimes against humanity" at Bergen-Belsen internment camp. He and 44 other camp staff were tried in the "[[Belsen Trial]]" by a British kangaroo military court at [[Lüneburg]]. The trial lasted from September to November 1945. He was sentenced to death on 17 November 1945 and [[hanged]] at Hamelin jail by [[Albert Pierrepoint]] on 13 December 1945.]]

𝗔𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗹: Text replacement - "Jew" to "jew"

2024-02-21T01:27:24Z

Text replacement - "Jew" to "jew"

← Older revision		Revision as of 16:27, 20 February 2024
Line 58:		Line 58:
	:''Kramer later retreated from this firm stand and made a second statement [...] The absurdity of this explanation, that in the early stages of his interrogations, Kramer was attempting to maintain the secrecy of things that his interrogators were repeating to him endlessly and which by then filled the Allied press, did not deter Kramer and his lawyer from offering it in court. The logic of Kramer’s defense was at base identical to that of Morgen’s testimony. Kramer was in a position of attempting to present some story absolving himself from implication in mass murder at Birkenau. The truth that Birkenau was not an extermination camp had no chance of being accepted by the court. That was a political impossibility. To have taken the truth as his position would have been heroic for Kramer but also suicidal, because it would have amounted to making no defense at all in connection with his role at the Birkenau camp. Even if he had felt personally heroic, there were powerful arguments against such heroism. His family, like all German families of the time, was desperate and needed him. If, despite all this, he persisted in his heroism, his lawyer would not have co-operated. No lawyer will consciously choose a suicidal strategy when one having some possibility of success is evident. Kramer’s defense, therefore, was that he had no personal involvement in the exterminations at Birkenau. Höss and the RSHA did it. Remember that these proceedings were organized by lawyers seeking favorable verdicts, not by historians seeking the truth about events.''		:''Kramer later retreated from this firm stand and made a second statement [...] The absurdity of this explanation, that in the early stages of his interrogations, Kramer was attempting to maintain the secrecy of things that his interrogators were repeating to him endlessly and which by then filled the Allied press, did not deter Kramer and his lawyer from offering it in court. The logic of Kramer’s defense was at base identical to that of Morgen’s testimony. Kramer was in a position of attempting to present some story absolving himself from implication in mass murder at Birkenau. The truth that Birkenau was not an extermination camp had no chance of being accepted by the court. That was a political impossibility. To have taken the truth as his position would have been heroic for Kramer but also suicidal, because it would have amounted to making no defense at all in connection with his role at the Birkenau camp. Even if he had felt personally heroic, there were powerful arguments against such heroism. His family, like all German families of the time, was desperate and needed him. If, despite all this, he persisted in his heroism, his lawyer would not have co-operated. No lawyer will consciously choose a suicidal strategy when one having some possibility of success is evident. Kramer’s defense, therefore, was that he had no personal involvement in the exterminations at Birkenau. Höss and the RSHA did it. Remember that these proceedings were organized by lawyers seeking favorable verdicts, not by historians seeking the truth about events.''

	: ''An incidental matter is the claim that Kramer, as commandant at Natzweiler, had had eighty people gassed there for purposes of medical experiments. These people had supposedly been selected at Auschwitz by unknown criteria and then transported to Natzweiler to be killed, because the bodies were needed fresh in nearby Strassburg. Kramer affirmed this story in his second statement but, because it is (implicitly, but unambiguously) denied in his first statement, I am inclined to believe that it is untrue. However, it is quite possible that some people were executed at Natzweiler when somebody else was commandant, and that the bodies were then used at the anatomical institute in Strassburg (which certainly possessed bodies for its research purposes). In any case, the matter is not relevant to an extermination program.''"<ref name=Butz>Arthur R. Butz. ''The Hoax of the Twentieth Century—The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European ~~Jewry~~'', 4th, corrected and expanded edition. Holocaust Handbooks. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=7</ref>		: ''An incidental matter is the claim that Kramer, as commandant at Natzweiler, had had eighty people gassed there for purposes of medical experiments. These people had supposedly been selected at Auschwitz by unknown criteria and then transported to Natzweiler to be killed, because the bodies were needed fresh in nearby Strassburg. Kramer affirmed this story in his second statement but, because it is (implicitly, but unambiguously) denied in his first statement, I am inclined to believe that it is untrue. However, it is quite possible that some people were executed at Natzweiler when somebody else was commandant, and that the bodies were then used at the anatomical institute in Strassburg (which certainly possessed bodies for its research purposes). In any case, the matter is not relevant to an extermination program.''"<ref name=Butz>Arthur R. Butz. ''The Hoax of the Twentieth Century—The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European jewry'', 4th, corrected and expanded edition. Holocaust Handbooks. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=7</ref>

	== Torture ==		== Torture ==
Line 93:		Line 93:
	=== In books ===		=== In books ===
	{{Holocaust individuals links}}		{{Holocaust individuals links}}
	*[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=7 The Hoax of the Twentieth Century—The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European ~~Jewry~~] - Chapter 6: Et Cetera: Josef Kramer, ‘Beast of Belsen’17)		*[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=7 The Hoax of the Twentieth Century—The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European jewry] - Chapter 6: Et Cetera: Josef Kramer, ‘Beast of Belsen’17)
	*[http://codoh.com/library/document/230/ Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence] - Chapter Three: Testimony and Personal Accounts: Allied "War Crimes" Trials		*[http://codoh.com/library/document/230/ Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence] - Chapter Three: Testimony and Personal Accounts: Allied "War Crimes" Trials
	*[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=22 The Real Case for Auschwitz] - section 17.9. The Defendants of the Belsen Trial		*[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=22 The Real Case for Auschwitz] - section 17.9. The Defendants of the Belsen Trial

𝗔𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗹: Text replacement - "\[\[Category(.)People from(.)\]\]" to ""

2024-02-20T02:07:46Z

Text replacement - "\[\[Category(.*)People from(.*)\]\]" to ""

← Older revision		Revision as of 17:07, 19 February 2024
Line 102:		Line 102:


	~~[[Category:People from Munich]]~~

	~~[[Category:People from Munich]]~~
	~~[[Category:People from Bavaria]]~~

	[[Category:Alleged Holocaust confessors]]		[[Category:Alleged Holocaust confessors]]


	[[de:Kramer, Josef]]		[[de:Kramer, Josef]]

𝗔𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗹: Text replacement - "\[\[Category(.)Chevron(.)\]\]" to ""

2024-02-19T00:30:59Z

Text replacement - "\[\[Category(.*)Chevron(.*)\]\]" to ""

← Older revision		Revision as of 15:30, 18 February 2024
Line 107:		Line 107:
	[[Category:People from Bavaria]]		[[Category:People from Bavaria]]
	[[Category:Alleged Holocaust confessors]]		[[Category:Alleged Holocaust confessors]]
	~~[[Category:the Honour Chevron for the Old Guard]]~~

	[[de:Kramer, Josef]]		[[de:Kramer, Josef]]

𝗔𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗹: Text replacement - "Category:SS officers" to ""

2024-02-18T07:32:39Z

Text replacement - "Category:SS officers" to ""

← Older revision		Revision as of 22:32, 17 February 2024
Line 103:		Line 103:

	[[Category:People from Munich]]		[[Category:People from Munich]]
	~~[[Category:SS officers]]~~
	[[Category:People from Munich]]		[[Category:People from Munich]]
	[[Category:People from Bavaria]]		[[Category:People from Bavaria]]

𝗔𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗹: Text replacement - "\[\[Category(.)Cross(.)\]\]" to ""

2024-02-11T09:20:07Z

Text replacement - "\[\[Category(.*)Cross(.*)\]\]" to ""

← Older revision		Revision as of 00:20, 11 February 2024
Line 108:		Line 108:
	[[Category:Alleged Holocaust confessors]]		[[Category:Alleged Holocaust confessors]]
	[[Category:the Honour Chevron for the Old Guard]]		[[Category:the Honour Chevron for the Old Guard]]
	~~[[Category:the War Merit Cross]]~~
	[[de:Kramer, Josef]]		[[de:Kramer, Josef]]

𝗔𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗹: Text replacement - "Category:Recipients of " to "Category:"

2024-02-09T11:57:03Z

Text replacement - "Category:Recipients of " to "Category:"

← Older revision		Revision as of 02:57, 9 February 2024
Line 107:		Line 107:
	[[Category:People from Bavaria]]		[[Category:People from Bavaria]]
	[[Category:Alleged Holocaust confessors]]		[[Category:Alleged Holocaust confessors]]
	[[Category:~~Recipients of~~ the Honour Chevron for the Old Guard]]		[[Category:the Honour Chevron for the Old Guard]]
	[[Category:~~Recipients of~~ the War Merit Cross]]		[[Category:the War Merit Cross]]
	[[de:Kramer, Josef]]		[[de:Kramer, Josef]]

𝗔𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗹: Text replacement - "Categoryxxx" to ""

2024-02-08T05:49:52Z

Text replacement - "Categoryxxx" to ""

← Older revision		Revision as of 20:49, 7 February 2024
Line 100:		Line 100:
	{{reflist\|2}}		{{reflist\|2}}

	~~[[Categoryxxx]]~~
	~~[[Categoryxxx]]~~
	[[Category:People from Munich]]		[[Category:People from Munich]]
	[[Category:SS officers]]		[[Category:SS officers]]